Household size = 99 with no dependents/children

Mark_Garcia
Mark_Garcia Member
edited August 2019 in CCC Promise Grant Application
Logic doesn't check against household size vs dependents marked no.

Something with the logic attached to the marital status and household size on CCCApply that is not restricting the household size.  This is not an error on our side, this is a BIG problem with CCCApply.

I entered another test application “user test”.  Attached is the PDF of the confirmation from the admin reports.  On this is says student qualifies for method B.

Marital status = married

Homeless = yes

Married = yes

Dependents/children = no

All other questions = no

Household size = 99

AGI = 25000

Other income = 0

 

Logically this one should have a maximum of 2 in the house, but CCCApply allowed me to enter 99 people.  This one technically should only have 2 in the household and based on $25000 income should not qualify (i.e. max income for 2 is $24690).  Again, the yearend reporting will reject this one because for married with no children household size cannot exceed 2. 

 

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  • Patty
    Patty
    edited August 2019
    Hi Mark,

    Thanks for bringing this issue to my attention.  I will take a look at the Promise Grant DED for 2019 and see what the logic indicates.  I'm not as versed on the BOG logic and as a general rule we go off the paper application for requirements, updates, and changes. 

    I may need to enlist someone from the Chancellor's Office to confirm error validation, but let me take a look.  

    You should have gotten a Zendesk support ticket issued to you for this by now, but if not, I will check to ensure it gets over to you asap.

    Thanks,
    Patty Donohue
    Product Manager
    [email protected]
  • Mark_Garcia
    Mark_Garcia Member
    edited August 2019
    Thanks Patty. I added the information to the zen desk ticket from the online state rules, but thought I would paste it here in case you needed the reference.

    Here is the rules from the paper bog that help explain our concerns with the electronic application. When someone says no to dependents, then they cannot claim to have more than one additional person (spouse) in their house hold.  So the logic should stop someone with 0 dependents and married/separated from saying more than 2. And should stop someone who is single, divorced, or widowed and saying 0 dependents from saying they have more than 1 in their household.

    Link to the law information is below.

    The verbiage on the BOGW/CCPG question #4 asks if they have dependents they provide more than 50% support, then question 16 asks to only count yourself/spouse, and anyone that receives more than 50% support from you.  So, logically if a unmarried person says no to #4, #16 should only be 1 person.

    Here is the copied questions from the paper application.

     

    4. Do you have children who will receive more than half of their support from you between July 1, 2018-June 30, 2019, or other dependents who live with you (other than your children or spouse/RDP) who receive more than half of their support from you, now and through June 30, 2019

    16.        INDEPENDENT STUDENT:   How many persons are in your household? (Include yourself, your spouse/RDP, and anyone who lives with you and receives more than 50% of their support from you, now and through June 30, 2019.)

    https://www.cccco.edu/-/media/CCCCO-Website/Files/Educational-Services-and-Support/x_201819ccpgformenglishaccessible-ada.ashx?la=en&hash=76AA1D9B2C1D12CB8C56D8E7763FD1E5BBC1C62C

    Mark Garcia

    Director, Management Information Systems

    College of the Canyons





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